Curse

kazjun · Oct 29, 2009, 12:32 PM // 12:32

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Originally Posted by lilondra

EDA was the only skill that didn't cause huge problems in every format.EDA did never produce a balanced and good build so there is no reason to keep it alive in the first place.Blindspam was just made to easy and this needs a revert regardless of format.

As long as you want it to be balanced with regards to the rest of the game then that isn't an issue. Trust me, my prefered class is warrior, even runed up and with a blind shield, I don't like blind anymore than the next warrior.

Just as long as you're not trying to nerf skills (any skill) just for the sake of CA. Just check out the glads forum, there's even a thread about the OPed builds of the each day. Nerfing a skill for CA won't achieve much as there will simply be another skill to be OPed in its place. But nerfing a skill down to a 4v4 format will possibly hurt the rest of the game.

Martin Alvito · Nov 01, 2009, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

2 out of the 4 EDA days the counters were extremely strong and the skill was not an issue. I don't think a nerf is needed, it just needs to show up less often, along with fewer spear attacks.

The implication is that on 2 of the 4 days the counters were NOT strong and the skill was an issue. Further, on the days when the counters were strong the skill was still environment defining. When IJAFW was in the meta, you HAD to run it. You could beat an EDA with an EDA and skill, but you couldn't beat IJAFW and EDA with anything but IJAFW and EDA.

That defines two of the four slots on every team right off the bat, and it's a given that slots 3 and 4 will be melee and heals. Makes for a boring day where you roll anything but the mirror, so everyone plays the mirror and it's TA all over again.

There are only a few sensible ways to address this:

1) Link EDA to solid counters, such that multiple solutions come up on the days EDA comes up
2) Remove EDA from the format
3) Change EDA

Yes, there's a broader issue that the NF professions have a higher rate of landing OP elites. If the margin of OP is narrow, that's not such an issue. The basic problem with the NF elites is that the margin is large. EDA, WS, IJAFW and Stunning are all much more potent than most elites from other classes in a limited format, and are guaranteed to get the support skills to make them playable. (Remember the day when Magebane came up with nothing else an interrupt ranger would want or need?)

You could reduce this problem by giving these professions fewer elites, but that doesn't solve these elites on the days they come up. It just reduces the number of days that they define the environment.